GG GameGune?

There's been much talk about the 'conflict' between Fragbite and GameGune. I write this to show you the whole truth.


It started at DreamHack and the ESWC qualifiers. Fragbite and made some interwievs with the teams. In the interwievs with Archi from fnatic and miniw from NiP they said thet they have planned to go to GameGune and that almost everything is set for this. Nothing was written about it until two days ago, and some time after it was published Begrips manager and owner Individ said that Begrip was also going.


After this Fragbite gets a msg from pb from MYM:

Avsändare: MYM|pb
Mottaget: 2007-06-21 20:13
Ämne: nip fnatic
Hello *****!
As we are official press media of GameGune, you can find official list of teams attending GameGune here :
http://www.meetyourmakers.com/en/news/1354.html
so please do not add teams before its official from organizators of GameGune.
With love,


And pb also pastes this at IRC:


[20:24:34] <MYM|pb> JohN Cube - We are all to blame ( - the tanker) - L503AV says:
[20:24:34] <MYM|pb> tell him he cant publish that
[20:24:34] <MYM|pb> JohN Cube - We are all to blame ( - the tanker) - L503AV says:
[20:24:34] <MYM|pb> tell him we have an agreement
[20:25:33] <MYM|pb> JohN Cube - We are all to blame ( - the tanker) - L503AV says:
[20:25:34] <MYM|pb> and the publication of those informations can force us to sue them
[20:25:34] <MYM|pb> from event manager
[20:25:34] <MYM|pb> "no team is confirmed by the organization until we publish that"


Now here comes the funniest part of the whole thing. A privmsg from this "JohN Cube" also known as rC-XFi|Jukka or Jon C. Cubas Díaz:


19:53:55 * ? [20:27:58] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> hi
19:53:55 * ? -
19:53:55 * ? rC-XFi|JukiChan is [email protected] * Juk
19:53:55 * ? rC-XFi|JukiChan on #fnatic +#vga.bf2 #redcode.wc3 @#gamegune @#euskal
19:53:55 * ? rC-XFi|JukiChan using *.quakenet.org QuakeNet IRC Server
19:53:55 * ? rC-XFi|JukiChan is authed as nvjukka
19:53:55 * ? rC-XFi|JukiChan End of /WHOIS list.
19:53:55 * ? -
19:53:55 * ? [20:28:06] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> i am the Gamegune Head Organizer
19:53:55 * ? [20:28:26] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> i know you just talked to pb
19:53:55 * ? [20:28:26] <****> hello
19:53:55 * ? [20:28:59] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> according to the press regulations in europe
19:53:55 * ? [20:30:19] <****> look, all it says in the news post is that the teams have stated that they'll be attending
19:53:55 * ? [20:30:28] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> yes
19:53:55 * ? [20:30:45] <****> to try to get that to be illegal would be a very far stretch in my opinion :)
19:53:55 * ? [20:30:50] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> and that is ilegal according to the european press regulations
19:53:55 * ? [20:30:57] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> as no press release has been made
19:53:55 * ? [20:31:49] <****> so you're saying that media can only publish articles when there's been a press release? I'm afraid I'm not following you now
19:53:55 * ? [20:31:55] <****> this is the way we always do it
19:53:55 * ? [20:32:05] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> it could also be considered as violation of a company's privacy or as spying
19:53:56 * ? [20:32:19] <****> and like I told pb, if you want to control the flow of information you have to start with the teams
19:53:56 * ? [20:32:35] <****> once the information has reached the media you can't censor it
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:18] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> i am afraid you do not realize what you are talking about
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:21] <****> I really really doubt that, but in anyway the focus in the news is on the Swedish teams, not on your organization
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:31] <****> right back at you :)
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:43] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> you will get to know from our lawyer
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:47] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> have a nice day
19:53:56 * ? [20:33:53] <****> you too

19:53:57 * ? [20:35:26] <****> my e-mail is ****@fragbite.com
19:53:58 * ? [20:35:59] <****> but do you realize what the media in europe would look like if your assumptions were correct?
19:53:58 * ? [20:36:29] <****> imagine the coverage of the world cup in football if all the media did was use press releases and not their own sources
19:53:58 * ? [20:38:46] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> above all is
19:53:58 * ? [20:38:55] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> that the both teams you mention
19:53:58 * ? [20:39:05] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> might have confirmed something to you
19:53:58 * ? [20:39:09] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> but not to the orga
19:53:58 * ? [20:41:40] <****> yep, and all it says in the news is that the teams have said to us that they'll be attending
19:53:58 * ? [20:42:05] <****> I'll find you an example of something that contradicts the "european press regulations"
19:53:58 * ? [20:42:13] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> NiP, fnatic och SK till GameGune
19:53:58 * ? [20:42:24] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> that means they are comming
19:53:58 * ? [20:42:34] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> which they are obviously not anymore
19:53:58 * ? [20:42:51] <****> have you confirmed that they are not coming?
19:53:58 * ? [20:43:50] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> teams publishing they are going to an event organized by RCGAMING to the media before they are allowed to /confirm to us , usually get banned
19:53:58 * ? [20:47:07] <****> when will a decision on that be made? I guess it only concerns NiP and fnatic?
19:53:58 * ? [20:47:27] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> that is none of your business
19:53:58 * ? [20:47:34] <rC-XFi|JukiChan> sorry
19:53:58 * ? Session Time: Fri Jun 22 00:00:09 2007
19:53:58 * ? Session Close: Fri Jun 22 00:17:12 2007


The next day, after Fragbite sent an email to the Main organizer Sabino San Vicente at GameGune. (Asked about the co.op with MYM and about Jukkas bad behavior).


19:54:02 * ? [21:02:57] <rC-XFi|Jukka> hi
19:54:02 * ? [21:03:13] <rC-XFi|Jukka> Sabino forwarded me the message
19:54:02 * ? [21:03:28] <rC-XFi|Jukka> and we really do not want to know anything from fragbite
19:54:02 * ? [21:04:51] <****> what do you mean, "not want to know anything from fragbite"?
19:54:02 * ? [21:04:51] <rC-XFi|Jukka> he told me to tell you he is not answering that email, it is not worth the time it takes
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:06] <****> hehe, okey
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:27] <****> so then we can assume that the teams have been banned and that you'll be suing fragbite?
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:36] <rC-XFi|Jukka> no
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:41] <rC-XFi|Jukka> the teams talked to me
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:43] <rC-XFi|Jukka> all of them
19:54:03 * ? [21:05:50] <rC-XFi|Jukka> in a mannered way
19:54:03 * ? [21:06:01] <rC-XFi|Jukka> and explained to me they did not know
19:54:03 * ? [21:06:10] <rC-XFi|Jukka> about that rule
19:54:03 * ? [21:06:31] <****> ok, I see
19:54:03 * ? [21:07:27] <rC-XFi|Jukka> and I apologized to one guy i feel i had to
19:54:03 * ? [21:07:31] <rC-XFi|Jukka> that was it
19:54:03 * ? [21:09:41] <****> will you be suing fragbite? do we have a conflict?
19:54:03 * ? [21:11:02] <rC-XFi|Jukka> i am not doing anything about you, in fact feel free to publish what you want, like you did in the past
19:54:03 * ? [21:11:17] <rC-XFi|Jukka> but gamegune is something you will write about from home :)
19:54:03 * ? [21:11:46] <****> so fragbite is banned from gamegune?
19:54:03 * ? [21:12:09] <rC-XFi|Jukka> you can fly to bilbao
19:54:03 * ? [21:12:16] <rC-XFi|Jukka> you can pay the entrance fee
19:54:03 * ? [21:12:31] <rC-XFi|Jukka> but you wont get any press passes and no access to the gamegune
19:54:03 * ? [21:12:46] <rC-XFi|Jukka> you can visit the rest of the party though
19:54:04 * ? [21:13:10] <****> ok, so that is essentially banned from gamegune but not from the rest of the lan event?
19:54:04 * ? [21:13:26] <rC-XFi|Jukka> not banned
19:54:04 * ? [21:13:41] <rC-XFi|Jukka> there is only one web getting passes
19:54:04 * ? [21:13:56] <****> and that is mym?
19:54:04 * ? [21:14:17] <****> so no other site is getting access to the tournament area to take pictures, film, interview etc?
19:54:04 * ? [21:14:27] <rC-XFi|Jukka> exactly
19:54:04 * ? [21:14:31] <rC-XFi|Jukka> maybe one spanish site
19:54:04 * ? [21:14:34] <rC-XFi|Jukka> but none other
19:54:04 * ? [21:17:11] <****> are you allowed to take pictures, film etc from outside the tournament area?
19:54:04 * ? [21:17:55] <rC-XFi|Jukka> not from the area
19:54:04 * ? [21:18:14] <rC-XFi|Jukka> no picture from the area might be taken
19:54:04 * ? [21:19:31] <****> what does the area look like? is it just like a separate enclosure in a big hall or is it in a separate room?
19:54:04 * ? [21:19:50] <****> trying to figure out if it would be worth the trip even if you can't get into the area :)
19:54:04 * ? [21:20:09] <rC-XFi|Jukka> i do not think it would be worth
19:54:04 * ? [21:23:39] <****> have mym bought all the rights for the event?
19:54:04 * ? [21:24:03] <rC-XFi|Jukka> exactly
19:54:04 * ? [21:26:09] <****> okey, is it ok if I quote you?
19:54:05 * ? [21:29:04] <****> gotta run, thanks for the info anyway!
19:54:05 * ? [21:30:42] <rC-XFi|Jukka> u are obviously a man who likes quoting
19:54:05 * ? [21:30:56] <rC-XFi|Jukka> we have given mym full rights, thats right :)
19:54:05 * ? [21:37:55] <rC-XFi|Jukka> they did not need to buy them, their project convinced me
19:54:05 * ? Session Time: Sat Jun 23 00:00:09 2007
19:54:05 * ? Session Close: Sat Jun 23 01:13:06 2007


Here is an interwiev made by pb and MYM with this hilarious guy "Jukka":
http://www.meetyourmakers.com/en/article/333.html


I have a good friend woking at MYM too, and he has a kind of high position in that organization. He didnt know anything about this co.op with GameGune, so he asked some othey guys at MYM, in higher position than himself, if they did know anything. Anyone said no. Later my friend at MYM told me that he had chatted some with pb and he had told him that there was no money involved or anything in this co.op, GameGune only wanted to give MYM the rights to do the official cover because "they like pb and the site". Ye right...


I dont know how or why MYM really got this co.op with GameGune, but I belive that pb is really brown around his mouth...


The GameGune staff acted immature and rude. I cant se how they can ban a site for writing something that the teams said in an official interwiev. Apparently, as you can see in the logs, teams arnt even allowed to talk about their participance before its official from MYM/GameGune, and if they talk anyway they will get banned from the event. The teams didnt know shit about this, yes they have been asked, and neather did anyone else. The same day as Fragbite wrote the GameGune-news SK-gaming also wrote the Swedish teams in their list, and were later told to get rid of them in their list because of this co.op.



Fragbite has published two news pieces about this, you find them below: (In Swedish)

http://www.fragbite.com/?newsID=12747
http://www.fragbite.com/?newsID=12745


There?s also this printscreen:

http://www.fuskbugg.se/pub/misc/Konversation.JPG

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Kommentarer
Postat av: Yllet

omg, what a lameass newbie! How could anyone ever tell Fragbite, or any other site for that matter, not to write about whatever they want. With the information that you got from your own sources, you can do exactly whatever. And if you choose to write about it, then it?s your choise. DIG THE DAY!
I kind of feel like killing that stupid fuck. Ever herd about freedom of the press? It's so obvious that he just makes up this bullshit along the way. PLZ SUE FRAGBITE. It would be hilarious!

Postat av: Mads

God damn, that's just sad. I really belived it was professionels who was working at those events, and organizing them.

2007-07-20 @ 17:09:08
Postat av: Sann

The Christmas is near

2007-07-20 @ 17:17:57
Postat av: alexandre from brazil =D

that's ridiculous!
it's just stupid to censor media...
shame on GG

2007-07-21 @ 02:09:54
Postat av: Lakrisal

woho, u used my conversation screenshot :)
but no I agree that they acted immature, and ffs, Fragbite is the biggest cs forum and newssite in Sweden, why on earth would you want to ban them?

2007-07-22 @ 11:08:37

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